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Did Deutsche Telekom Exit Its Validators? thx

0xkasi

Hi, I'm going through your docs, the Solana&nbsp;<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" class="link" href="https://docs.rated.network/methodologies/solana/annual-percentage-yield-apy/delegator-apy">delegator APY page</a>&nbsp;to be specific and I cannot find a clear answer if the delegatorApy field from the <code>/v0/solana/validators/&lt;vote_key&gt;/summary</code> endpoint response includes the MEV APR or not? Based on the value and compared to other API providers it seems like it does not cause the value is lower compared to other providers? If it does not include it, is there any API of yours that provides JITO MEV APR for delegators?Thanks!

Solana delegator APY%

Michal Baranowski

The&nbsp;"validatorCount" you return always gives the number of validators that did earn rewards on the first day of the "granularity" (e.g. "week/month"), correct? When doing some calculations for periods where the number changed during the week, this led to some confusion at first. <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" class="link" href="https://api.rated.network/v1/eth/sets/875356f3-c7bf-436a-a210-966604343bea/proposals?fromDate=2024-06-03&amp;toDate=2024-08-15&amp;granularity=week&amp;limit=100&amp;offset=0">https://api.rated.network/v1/eth/sets/SETID/proposals?fromDate=2024-06-03&amp;toDate=2024-08-15&amp;granularity=week&amp;limit=100&amp;offset=0</a> Internally, we are now resorting to an “"avg" number of reward- earning vals" if we are comparing different groups. Obviously this also has drawbacks like not being integer etc.

"validatorCount" is number earning rewards on the first day of the "granularity"?

Freddy-from-Germany

Dear Rated team, I am a contributor to the NOM workstream of the Lido DAO and thus especially interested in your dashboards concerning our modules. In the overview of the Curated Module I noticed that you listed severals NOs who the explorer claimed had obtained blocks from unvetted Titan relay in the past 30 days. I was able to confirm this for all but one NO by comparing the slots in which the blocks had been proposed with the relay’s API. Normally such blocks stick out in our own <a target="" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" class="link" href="https://fees-monitoring.lido.fi/">Fees Monitoring Dashboard</a> as being from slots of an “unknown relay”. What was unique for the NO in question, is, that unlike for the other NOs, for none of this NO’s unknown relay slots I could produce a query that was responded to by the <a target="" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" class="link" href="https://titanrelay.xyz/relay/v1/data/bidtraces/proposer_payload_delivered?slot=">proposer_payload_delivered endpoint</a> of the Titan - or by any other of the APIs of widely known relays - making me fairly certain we are looking at locally built “vanilla blocks”. But then, where does the Titan relay blockspace you listed for the NO come from? We got in touch with them - Kiln - and were told that while they do not call the getHeader methode for Titan for blocks available on multiple and ultimately obtained by a different than Titan relay. They do, however, systematically send signatures to all relays, including Titan, to improve the propagation time. Some examples of such slots that then produce responses from several relays are: <a target="" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" class="link" href="https://beaconcha.in/slot/9590392">9590392</a>, <a target="" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" class="link" href="https://beaconcha.in/slot/9589936">9589936</a>, and <a target="" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" class="link" href="https://beaconcha.in/slot/9589912">9589912</a> Is it possible that this approach is messing with your methode of collecting the blockspace distribution, listing the blockspace for all of the responding relays?

Explorer

Methodologies

Method of blockspace distribution detection

sssngth

If I submit a validator key via <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" class="link" href="https://api-docs.rated.network/rated-api/api-reference/v0/ethereum/self-report">https://api-docs.rated.network/rated-api/api-reference/v0/ethereum/self-report</a> that has already exited, is it going to negatively affected its RAVER rating?Thanks

Is it safe to self-report exited validators?

Adam

what's the difference between Src / Dst / Head accuracy? more importantly, how do they each affect the validator reward? I think that - "head accuracy" measures the % of attestations which vote correctly on the previous block, and has significant effect on the validator reward - while Src / Dst are about the sync committee and who's included in it, and doesn't affect the reward the same way if that's the case, I would expect "Correctness" to be much more affect by head accuracy than by src/dst would love to get some concrete explanations on these 🙏

General

Source vote vs Destination vote vs Head vote accuracy

uriklarman

Hi, i have a issue when calculating the <code>sourceVoteAccuracy</code> we are using the next formula for calculate it : <pre><code>sourceVoteAccuracy = sumCorrectSource / totalUniqueAttestations</code></pre>this shows an slightly difference data from the data shown in rated webwhatsmore, we are doing the same formula for targetVoteAccuracy and headVoteAccuracy and those are showing the same exact data both in out calcs and rated web<pre><code> targetVoteAccuracy = sumCorrectTarget / totalUniqueAttestations </code></pre><pre><code> headVoteAccuracy = sumCorrectHead / totalUniqueAttestations</code></pre> To give more details, i am requesting effectiveness groupeb by timeWindow with day granurality in 7 days date range and then doing averages on day datas to get the weekly data.But as mentioned before this is leading to a non matching value compared to the same validator set in rated website.I also noticed that `sumCorrectSource` is still missing in effectivenes api reference... dont know if that could be the reason as this might be still be in beta mode.Looking forward to your help

sourceVoteAccuracy calculation from effectiveness not matching rated web data

trikunai

We recently found that there are two payment patterns between builders and proposers related to mev-boost blocks that we weren't tracking. The effect was that we ended up understating the execution layer rewards received by proposers. This affected ~23,000 blocks which represents ~0.6%% of all blocks since the Merge (September 15, 2022).<h3>Pattern 1: Builder uses a different address to pay the proposer through an end-of-block transaction.</h3>One of the main ways builders pay proposers when proposing mev-boost blocks is through a transfer at the end of the block, which we’ve been tracking, as detailed in our docs. The builder first sets its own address to receive the block’s transaction fees and then uses the same address to pay the proposer. However, we have observed instances where the builder employs a different address to remunerate the proposer in the end-of-block transaction, from the one they used to receive the block’s transaction fees. This pattern was not previously tracked by us.Example: Block 18048751 | Slot 7236061 ProblemWe missed mev-boost blocks where the builder's address that received the block's transaction fees was not the one that sent the payment at the end of the block.&nbsp;SolutionWe updated our methodology to remove the strict condition that the sender address of the end-of-block transaction must be the same address that received the transaction fees of the block.<h3>Pattern 2: Builder pays the proposer through an end-of-block transaction&nbsp; initially transferring the amount to an alternate address, which then initiates an internal transaction to send the funds to the proposer.</h3>Similarly, there are also cases wherein while the sender of the end of block transaction is the builder, the receiver is a different address (example: a smart contract). This address then makes the payment to the proposer fee recipient through an internal transaction.Example: Block 18901160 | Slot 8095796ProblemWe were already tracking internal transactions to proposers before but only if they were also the recipient of the block's transaction fees (i.e. builder pays proposer through a coinbase transfer).SolutionWe've updated our methodology to also account for internal transactions wherein the proposer's fee recipient was the receiver while the builder was the recipient of the block's transaction fees. Additionally, we are implementing an extra verification step to confirm that if a mev-boost relay identifies a block as a mev-boost block, it is also recorded as such in our database.<blockquote>🚧 Note: We will apply these changes in production and do a refresh of our validator rewards database from September 2022. All API endpoints and fields that refer to rewards from the Ethereum execution layer, including its aggregations, and annual percentage return (APR) values shall be impacted.</blockquote>Acknowledgements: Rosa Karimi Adl and the Figment team for bringing this to our attention.

Updating Ethereum EL mev-boost rewards attribution methodology to capture additional payment patterns between Builders & Proposers

Sanjana Mehta

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